My local AO wouldnt deliver this, instead either hat a family member, or turn it over to a field auditor. And that it then forbids its parishioners from trying out medications is actually, literally, dangerous for Scientologists who suffer from depression. Unlikely.. Its just sad. Butler Funeral Homes & Cremation Tribute Center Saturday, February 25, 2023 Add Photos 2 Memories Carol J. Aarup SPRINGFIELD - Carol J. Aarup, 84, passed away Thursday, February 23, 2023, at her. Searching obituaries is a great place to start your family tree research. I get that you dont have much confidence in the tech (leave aside the church) but I do. If Tayler Tweed was diagnosed with Bipolar, then of course she would be good on programs and bad off them. Rest in Peace Taylor, I will always remember you as a firecracker and kindhearted soul who wanted to save the world. Tyler Tweed Death - Tyler Tweed, a graduate of Wisconsin's Marshall High School, passed away, and his family and friends have resorted to social media to express their sorrow at his passing. Naturopaths? Charles Cain. Now you got me confused again, Marildi. Your comment was interesting to me. And if the narrative of the program was not, Scientology need to be stopped and destroyed which IS the one theyve been using even if not in those words but instead a plea for reformation for the greater good, we might have gotten somewhere in terms of reformation. And as to people like my dad, well, Scientology starts as basic self help courses with a strong pop psychology aspect to them. I think they do just fine but I do not expect them to get everything right. The object of Twain's wrath was William A. Clark, a Pennsylvania native who eventually moved to Montana and made fortunes in banking, mining, newspapers, railroads and other ventures. But, no one who watches a documentary, should walk away and think they know everything about the subject matter. No, he DIDNT; read the policies on it. Am I really suppose to believe that all the people who have spoken up just woke up one day and decided to try and fuck this church up for no reason? Find 3 people named Tayler Tweed along with free Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and TikTok profiles on PeekYou - true people search. If the disability is pronounced to be curable within the skill of the physical practitioner and is in actual fact a disease or illness which surrenders to contemporary physical treatment, to require the person to be so treated before Scientology processing may be undertaken; (End of quote). Not that much if compared with the expected scenario. Please be so kind to PRESENT that evidence, leaving apart pure HEARSAY, and we can take it from there. Leah and Mike added nothing as in no new information to Tony Ortegas 2 year old story. Date Listed: 23/2/2023. I dont want to put you on the spot, but you are really putting Cathy Tweed on the spot very harshly here. Tayler clearly suffered from mental illness throughout her life, and never received the treatment she needed. No real mother would ever be truly at peace with a child blowing their head off. And the church would be able to survive it. Any leniency from IRS would have to be based on evidence of reformation and good will. This minister is a cult leader who ask for unquestionable obedience. If we were to go and try to rescue those in the RPF or The Hole (if it even exist today, which I DOUBT it very much), they would probably say, What the fuck are you doing here? Another one of my increasing senior moments Im afraid. But, IMHO, the biggest part of the general upset has been created by misapplication and by a fundamentalistic, fanatical approach to policy and Tech. Very, very accurate description!! Would Scientology allow Tayler to see a psychiatrist accredited by the American Psychiatric Association? This check was not exactly an official routine form from the church, but rather something made locally to detect possible Sources of Trouble. I MYSELF had been doing just that until recently, though I didnt do it that much. He was born Jan. 29, 1933, in rural Sand Creek to Ole and Nellie (Fjelstad) Tweed. AGAIN Claire, you sre ASSUMING that just because a THIRD PARTY who has ABSOLUTELY no personal knowledge of such events but mostly through hearsay not backed up by ANY texts of FB posts, ANYTHING is saying so. He doesnt take responsibility for the fact that it was HIM the one who got them into Scn in the first place, but now he just think of them as brainwashed, mind controlled, imprisoned, and having no free will to decide on their own. The reg was flabbergasted with me but he finally said, Well if you just dont want to do it then I wont make you do it. It never ceases to amaze me the amount of plain stupidly from the anti-Scientology camp! Does that sound familiar to anyone was in? It is the very definition of suppression. Im sure you know that there are other religions that dont believe in medical treatment, either and that this is actually a matter of freedom of religion. VERY compassionate) and me, took them as part of our self-proclaimed Chaplain hat, haha. But ask MILLIONS of Americans who are into alternative medicine and natural remedies if they will ever consider using any psychotropic drug, and I am sure that the most probable answer from the GREAT majority of them would be, NO, I would not. And Al, Im really glad youre sticking up for Cathy Tweed. Ok, got it, and I am sorry for the long comm lag in replying. There's quite the discussion over at Tony's about whether or not Tayler's death can be blamed on Scientology. The No.1 site across the UK for funeral notices, where you can search over 5,004,817 notices. Lets follow your logic with an analogy, shall we? Looking for Tayler Tweed? : So, to answer your question, Gtsix, about, .how does the Church feel about psychiatry and receiving psychiatric treatment?, my answers to that is :, But somehow I feel that you HAD already seen that part of my reply the first time I posted it, . Mr. Tweed was born in Washington County and son of the late Eugene & Lena Ball Tweed. Date of Death or Service May 31, 2023 Theresa Anna Helberg . But what we have from BOTH sides is the dramatization of a huge Service Facsimile (You are wrong; I am totally right), that totally blind both parties from sensible communication. However, most Scn watchers do not have the time, resources, or capacity to explore all facets of a Scn-related event. I highly doubt that Cathy Tweed would allow that. As you say, it was the decision to air that segment using only Tony Ortegas information with no attempt to update it with anything new, or even fair, that I believe is the height of cruel emotional manipulation by Mike Rinder, Leah Remini, and the rest of the shows producers. Tyler Tweeds family and friends are in deep grief, and lets pray for them to receive peace. It was me the one who usually wrote the Program for such a handling, and very detailed notes of progress were kept. This is always a liability for anyone seeking the truth. Ive seen and been told of quite a few parents who seemed to love their kids but wouldnt speak with them. Clearly Leah and Mike have some type of agenda, and as you point out, it is not reformation. He often would refer to the body as a second class citizen, or imply it was a trap; that you need to grab it by the scruff of the neck and take charge. Require a physical examination from whatever practitioners of the physical healing arts may be competent and available;, 2. The Horror! Was your love unconditional. Perhaps Mike Rinders memory got blank because he went pass a misunderstood word, and now he has forgotten about the policies, haha. And Im mos def not an anti Scientologist. She was a loving mother and enjoyed crafts, cooking, quilting, painting . Send flowers. Tony? I dont necessarily doubt that a person can benefit from medical treatment for brain illnesses. She shared over 62 loving years of marriage with husband John L . But the information presented regarding Tyler Tweed is true, and we found a few threads on Twitter honoring much information about Tyler Tweeds obituary. Technically, what Mike and Leah are doing IS a documentary. I am no expert at Public Relations, but I am no amateur, neither. We let them do courses, but not to get processed, until some evidence of case stability was evident. Yep ,,,, I am beginning to believe the man at the top is deliberately creating situations to implode the group,, He has already positioned himself into the only one category Tech Dict: All criminals are in that bracket ,,, His tone floats around the hostile band, and his ideals are clearly MEST related ,,, The Org Bd has long since been dropped and by-passed in favor of command channels only. Tayler Weldon DeBari November 13, 1986 -. A documentary film is a nonfictional motion picture intended to document some aspect of reality, primarily for the purposes of instruction, education, or maintaining a historical record. If people come to me and are not ready to abandon their fathers, mothers, wives, children, brothers, and sisters, as well as their own lives, they cannot be my disciples.. Why do you think that Cathy Tweed is not human, just like you? This simply makes critics into hysterical ninnies who should continue to be ignored by anyone with legal power and who is serious about reforming scientology. Clearly people go through much worse situations and never commit suicide. Mike is not sticking to a narrative like the narrative that most people who wanted the Catholic Church to stop child abuse stuck with that only focus on specific abuses, and on very specific and irrefutable evidence while leaving alone the religious aspects; but they are sticking to a narrative sort of : The church is an evil entity who doesnt believe in medicine, whose members never go see a medical doctor, and who are so brainwashed that they feel no loss when they lose their kids through Disconnection or death, and blah, blah. This is about ending the abuses as Mike and Leah are trying to get us to believe. She was regularly having suicidal thoughts and always been sent to auditing or naturopaths instead of to a competent mental health provider. Lauren detailed her friendship with fellow second-generation Scientologist Tayler Tweed, whom she met as a teen fresh out of the Sea Org. Are we expected to believe that in the allegedly most powerful country in the world, there is a mighty church who is guilty of many illegalities left and right, but that somehow the mighty USA government is totally incapable of doing anything about it, and for DECADES? Unless your experience results in greater tolerance and compassion and wisdom for suicide survivors what good is it? None of which appeared in scientology and the aftermath or in Tony Ortega s earlier reporting. Getting rid of David Miscavige? Now, looked at from the above clarifications, do you still feel the same way about it? I just couldnt resist it, . Mental health should be under the heading of psychotherapy not under the heading of religion., It seems to me that most spiritual teachers I have come across absolutely do include psychotherapy as part of their spiritual teaching, although they might not use that term. Search. Doh! Regarding, Type III cases, I was referring to current onlines public. D) A good nutritional diet that provided all essential nutrients. As you probably know, thats from the Bible quoting Jesus. Its the fact that they threw her out that gets me.. Can be really call that a Desire at reformation? Yeah, we all know the answer to that question I think. Plus it is now becoming more evident that there was a lot more to the story regarding Tayler and her mother which was left out of the episode. Public relations is not the answer to the Church of Scientologys problems.. The problem with this is that the brain can get sick. Mike does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING when a Scientologist post a comment there at his blog, and a lot of commenters start attacking him/her left and right with all kinds of insults, just because that Scientologist says something (ANYTHING) positive about LRH or Scn. There are MANY viewpoints. If you really have that much experience with suicide survivors, how could you possibly be this cruel to one that you would dictate what her response should be to you on her own daughters suicide? Are they, really? : https://alanzosblog.com/critics-scientology-withdraw-support-direction-season-2-scientology-aftermath/. You guys are cowards and pieces of shit for having her ceremony at Celebrity Center. What Mike Rinder and Leah Remini fail to clarify in their Anti-Scientology narrative, is that LIKE MOST PEOPLE INVOLVED IN VEGETARIANISM AND NATURAL HEALTH Scientologists prefer to use natural remedies and alternative medicine (which is practiced by a PROFESSIONAL LICENSED REAL DOCTOR as they like to call them, haha) before engaging in taking medicines and using conventional methods. But not all mothers have award winning, network sponsored TV shows magnifying their mistakes. Is my post to be interpreted as that I think that ALL psychotropic drugs are harmful for the patient, and that at no moment any of them should be used to help someone? You seem to be on the fence. They are not really interested in reform and correct justice. http://whyweprotest.wikia.com/wiki/Scientology_Suicides#The_dead_cannot_tell_us, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder, (You must log in or sign up to reply here.). Or you just like the anti-Scientology narrative? I agree with most of your points that you have discussed with Alanzo, except for the above one. They, incorrectly, do not give it the attention it deserves. (Dot) Dorothy passed away peacefully at The . And her brother can shut his mouth. Sorry, but thats evaluative and rude. Different from that Introspection Rundown, isnt it? Family and friends must say goodbye to their beloved Mary Marguerite Taylor (Tweed, Ontario), who passed away at the age of 95, on February 15, 2023. I already posted earlier about knowing Tayler and how she 100% wanted to leave the cult. And like me, there were others who had to do the same. On this episode I thought the half which addressed the young mans story in the Sea Org did a good job of showing how toxic the SO culture and mindset is. Even to go so far to say (paraphrase), If the body is sick, force it to dig a ditch. Lets analyze this for a minute, shall we? That, btw, is the key principle I believe Marty is standing up for. He was born to Lynda LeGrone Bass and R. Eugene Bass, MD on May 18, 1982 in Atlanta, Georgia. There are always at least two sides to every story usually many more. However, we assure you that we will add the factual details once they are available. But this was something done kind of offlines, you know, where both the ED and me knew, that if we fucked it up, it was only our heads that would be cut. I went in GREAT details EXACTLY quoting from the that episode all the parts where Leah, Mike, and Lauren BLAMED Cathy Tayler for the death of her daughter without showing one IOTA of proof beyond HEARSAY. That must be the most fallacious argument that Ive ever heard! She doesnt stand a chance. This makes me absolutely sad You are saying that you were taking your daughter to doctors when Scientologist dont believe in doctors she should have went to a therapist and got help when she needed it !! Butlets go get tattoos so we can feel better about it. I do feel, from being a member for 30 years, that my compassion and humanity was eroded. Sure. I am so grateful for my amazing parents and brother, whose love is unconditional, and support unwavering no matter how bad or misguided my youth was. There isnt really hate involved. This show wasnt about Kathy Tweed! I my humble opinion, reform IS possible, and even using specific LRHs policies themselves. `Anyone who knowingly follows a man like Hubbard deserves exactly what they get. "Tayler Tweed's suicide and Aaron Poulin's: Both happened in So. This whole video reeks like a ad misericordiam, the logical fallacy that because someone should be pitied, theyre innocent. Select a region on the map to view notices in your chosen area. to death notices and obituaries in Australian newspapers: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Ryerson is a free service, but we do use google advertising on this search page to help defray our operating costs. In the other teaching (Rons too, I would say), Know is where intuition and wisdom lie. A less loaded example of this principle is what happened with chiropractors. He enjoyed throwing with Marshall High School Track and playing tuba in the band. But thats obviously not good enough for you. Unfortunately, now, we gained no further information from Tyler Tweeds death. Whether or not this is specific to sea org indoc, i dont know,, my experience has been with class 5 orgs as staff and public, tho the presence of advanced org staff has been more noticeable during the last period i was back on service 2005 -2010. This lady decides to go to the police to report this physical and sexual abuse from her own husband. Marie Billheimer-also in that show- said (it was an extra scene that wasnt used in the main episode) said that shed gone to her grandmas funeral and her folks were right there-and on the flight- and wouldnt say one word to her. Hear your loved one's obituary. Whereas the Aftermath program clearly had Facebook messages from Tayler asking for help, and of Cathy pushing Tayler away. What drives ratings? Certainly, the church needs to be more compassionate in general, especially with their existing public. Towards the end of my involvement with the church, they got positively mean and nasty. Yes, I know that they would be refused service. He clearly knew NOTHING of what was actually happening. You do know that Tony Ortega got that quote from Cathy Tweed about being at peace with it during a phone call he made to her on the day of Taylers funeral, right?. They told this story. The mother has no room to talk when she let her belief structure blind her to real issues. Scientology was. Avoid the cult at all costs. I enjoy the show. I witnessed how badly and uncompassionate their originations as to feeling overrun were handled by uncaring Course sups. Because they learned tha often more effective than medical treatment. A very small price to pay for helping somebody. The sudden death is a heart-wrenching event for all the friends and family. Choose a color via Color picker or click the predefined style names! Attention whore and trying to look like the good guy. One keeps building on the wisdom because ones data in the world of duality keeps increasing, while at the same time ones ability to connect with the divine (non-duality) also increases. With your response here, I really have a hard believing you know anything about suicide at all. These are areas of legal vulnerability for scientology and I think they are areas where they need to reform. Well, try to go to Flag (the principal Scientology organization) for services and tell them that you are sick, and see what happens. And G) Getting the person to get in communication with the people she/he had neglected, but that they were in good ARC with, so as to raise their general ARC for life. I DO believe in the goodness of others, my friend, as one of my basic beliefs in live. The youngest son of Ethel Mummert and Harve Mummert, Tweed lived all of his life in the Macomb area. Since thats the post youre commenting on? Of course you proved your point. 1 talking about this. Scientology is a cult that is a criminal organization with very few members and lots of real estate. It is a dangerous brain illness. His posts at his blog dont mention ANYTHING about reformation, nor he uses a narrative leading to ask the church officials to please stop using the destructive policies, to come to senses regarding attacking the dissenters and critics, etc. I do feel, from being a member for 30 years, that my compassion and humanity was eroded.. Need help? Fair enough? Thats tough for me to get past. This makes me absolutely sad You are saying that you were taking your daughter to doctors when Scientologist dont believe in doctors she should have went to a therapist and got help when she needed it !!. Im pretty sure this tactic of trying to put you in Cathy Tweeds shoes is not getting through to you. VERY high. What we used to do at my Mission/org was to do what we called an A to J Check based on the policy, Policies on Physical Healing, Insanity and Sources of Trouble. Yes, I pity this family, but they are not innocent. But my first impulse and action, is to try to reform and rehabilitate the individual. Ian Taylor, who has died of cancer aged 64, was an international oil trading tycoon who also rescued Harris Tweed and chaired the trustees of the Royal Opera House, of which he was a generous . He was the oldest living past master of. Yeah, Dave Luck, thats a very sad truth indeed! Some ppl have questioned the fact that Taylers friend was the one speaking out and I can see why. Basically, its not a universal given that family has to be placed first in the search for spiritual freedom unless thats your belief. Hear Cathy Tweeds version of events. I WAS THERE. Nobody does. But no cult has the right to break the law. How could a mother, just three days after her daughter's death, state that she's "at peace" with it?? Because medical science has advanced since the publication of Science of Survival (66 years), and because these advancements save peoples lives, then it is extremely unethical even from the perspective of a Scientologist to forbid these treatments after everything else has been tried. That is what a strawman is. 1 p.m. Burke Memorial Park. She states that she did take her daughter to doctors, but what kind of doctors? Like me. I used to think up to just 1-2 week ago that Rathbun had gone crazy with this fantasy of his and sort of conspiracy theory about an ASC (Anti-Scientology Cult). Publicly accept when any wrongdoing has occurred. They Mike Rinder and her decided on a specific narrative beforehand, and they are fishing for stories that fits and support that narrative. They either didnt fight back, or just willingly accepted what was happening to them. I couldve said the same stuff about Tayler and I never met her. Regarding, Type III cases, I was referring to current onlines public. Because people like you who come on to blogs to post anonymously to trash a mother whose daughter committed suicide dont really get things like this, no matter what you say to them. I mean, just today Mike posted something basically mocking all those Scientologists who at least are trying to help at the disaster at Texas. Friendly hint- dont say the sorts of things that you might criticize or object to others saying. Tyler Tweed Death, Obituary - Tyler Tweed of Marshall, Wisconsin, has reportedly died unexpectedly with loved ones, family and the entire community left heartbroken and in grievance, according to online sharing. This screams Scientology to me. However, here is the information we fetched from Tyler Tweed. Funny, I thought that I had already answered it. As to the tax exemption thing, my own personal opinion on this is that even though that Scientology might very well fall into the category of a religion, its principal activities are not religious in nature, but psychotherapeutic as an institution that SELLS therapeutic services and make a profit from it. Obituary Marjorie Tweed Davis, 77, of Black Mountain, passed away Thursday, November 12, 2020. Search Funeral Notices, Deaths, Obituaries & Memoriams. Then you have the HCO BULLETIN OF 28 JUNE 1969RA REVISED 26 JULY 1978 RE-REVISED 21 SEPTEMBER 1978, HOW TO CASE SUPERVISE DIANETICS FOLDERS which says : Very sick pcs are sent directly to a medico of course.. And those things start at home. Ill check that out too. This video only strengthens the anti-scientology/cult dialogue, as it is cold, calculated, and defensive. Its certainly an argument I am open to how so? MARSHALL - Tyler S. Tweed, age 24, passed away unexpectedly on Wednesday, December 14, 2022, in Iowa. He died on Wednesday 14th December 2022 leaving behind family in mourning. Shouldnt any real and caring mother, second guess herself, if her daughter felt that ending her life was the best option.? I think that a MUCH better question would be, How does society in general feel about psychiatric treatments such as the use of psychotropic drugs? Are there any other groups opposed to such treatments besides Scientology? The answers to such questions would then put into a CORRECT and more balanced perspective, this apparent dilemma. Actually Lauren Haggis is the daughter of Paul Haggis and I have no problem with her wanting to do a segment for her friend. Tyler Tweed Obituary - Death: In Loving Memory of Tyler Tweed: According to an online obituary on Friday, December 16, 2022, Tyler Tweed has passed away unexpectedly. Scn, as an activity, is very much self-centered; and VERY focused on the able (e.g. One sane and balanced comment, at last! About personally attacking the dissenters and the critics, instead of specifically dealing with the veracity or lack thereof of their statements or claims. those with money). . Perhaps we ex(es) have forgotten our Auditors Hat to the world, and became insensitive. I think A&E should interview Cathy Tweed and give her time on their network after what has been done to her. Its the fact that they threw her out that gets me. How many times was I PERSONALLY told about this by the people who had this experience? This aspect of Hubbard and Scn always irked me. For decades it was even taught in schools that they were quacks which I think was said about anything that wasnt medicine and under the control of the AMA. What about Scientology kids. Now because this police officer that wouldd be YOU thinks that the statements from ANYBODY who follows a psychotic fundamentalist Jehovah Witness minister, should be considered null and void, you decides then that the lady might be lying and refuse to even investigate her claims. Depression can result in death. I consider my point PROVED! Yet the chiros survived for the simple reason they did help people, often much better than doctors. Correction; it should have read , This ISNT about ending the abuses as Mike and Leah are trying to get us to believe.. I cant get my comment posted because Im telling the truth about the sham that is Scientology. Its a cult with few members and lots of real estate, paying NO TAXES. It is to THAT that I am objecting. Caring for the insane is costly and time-consuming and requires resources. 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